Squaring the Culture

"...and I will make justice the plumb line, and righteousness the level;
then hail will sweep away the refuge of lies,
and the waters will overflow the secret place."
Isaiah 28:17

08/03/2009 (8:05 pm)

I Had Trouble Believing This…

…when I first read the title, which reads, “Cash for Clunkers is a government scam to gain access to your computer.” Come on… what kind of weird conspiracy nonsense are we starting now?

Listen and learn. They’re serious.

They’re not entirely correct. According to Snopes.com, the privacy notice only comes up within the Dealer Services portion of the Cars.com web site. This is only marginally reassuring, however. Why, precisely, does the government feel the need to grant itself access to every corner of the dealership’s computer system, and why is this necessary “for any other agency, foreign or domestic?”

The comments on the YouTube site are simply astounding as well. The Obama administration is asserting ownership of dealers’ computers from a Cars site, and some of these mooks are still yacking about Bush. I’m beginning to understand how Adolph Hitler got away with all that he got away with.

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August 4, 2009 @ 7:38 am #

Even if this is only dealers as the article contends, it still spells one of two things to me incompetence (they were simply being as aggressive in their user agreement as they thought they could get away with (like a lot of software companies for games and such)) or malicious/devious intent.

Given Pres. Obama’s past track record (as well as both his campaign and admin) such as how the whole text list worked out, where people signed up for “messages from the candidate” and it was then used to try to organize them for campaigning (which admittedly is pretty obvious), or his whole idea of a Citizen’s Defense Force- a non-military group financed, in his own words, “just as well as the military” but under the control of the government (which is REALLY creepy. Think NKVD.) I think I lean more toward the devious side of these things than purely incompetent. He seems to have no issue whatsoever of installing groups and taking measures which have been antithetical to American politics.

All of these things, taken together, are pretty damn disturbing, no matter what he says they are for.

August 4, 2009 @ 7:49 am #

Here is also another bit of fun Fascism (in the government run company abiding by different rules type of way):


The sad thing is that is any of us really surprised? At this point I am not sure I would really be SURPRISED by anything Pres. Obama or his administration does.

August 4, 2009 @ 8:05 am #

Sorry to keep putting all this crap in the comments, but I keep finding it this morning:


How long before we start referring to him as “Father Obama”?

This is just creepy.

August 4, 2009 @ 3:41 pm #

Um, the EULA on the dealers login page on cars.gov is straightup boilerplate for that kind of login. As a rule, it applies to the files you are accessing/using/creating on that system, not the stuff on your machine. It’s a common EUlA. Take, for a random example, this page on the University of Tennessee site:


There’s the same offending EULA:

“Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized University and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized individuals of other organizations. By using this system, the user consents to such interception, monitoring, recording, copying, auditing, inspection, and disclosure at the discretion of authorized University of Tennessee personnel.”

Plenty, perhaps most, university/business/government sites of similar ilk have similar EUlAs. Considering that the car dealers–like universities, labs, military bases, etc.–will be handling some private information, not including a standard EULA would be irresponsible.

August 5, 2009 @ 4:03 am #

Not buying, N2P. The “boilerplate” on the Cars website asserts OWNERSHIP OF THE COMPUTER. The tenn.edu site does not come close to this. The “boilerplate” on the Cars website asserts access rights by any federal agency for any reason. The tenn.edu site does not come close to this.

The UTenn language is necessary (although somewhat broader than I would like) to allow UTenn systems staff to verify access and monitor abuse. The Cars language is designed to permit access by unrelated federal agencies to anything and everything on the computer.

It most certainly is NOT ordinary boilerplate. It’s designed to look like it.

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