Barack Obama’s appearance on Fox News Sunday has touched off a fascinating debate in the leftward blogs that gives us a window into how Progressives think, and about how Obama thinks. It’s intriguing, and a little scary.
First, the setting: sometime in 2006, Barack Obama agreed to let Fox interview him on their network, but for some reason never followed through. On March 16, 2008, Fox News began displaying “Obama Watch,” a ticking digital clock displaying the days, hours, minutes and seconds since Obama agreed to appear. When it first appeared, it had been 730 days since Obama agreed to be on. It took just 35 more days before Obama’s interview with Chris Wallace aired on Fox News Sunday. Apparently, the Obama campaign did not like this sort of publicity and agreed to the interview to quell it. Well played, Fox News.
When ads appeared last week announcing the weekend interview, leftie blogs complained loudly. After all, they’d worked pretty hard to prevent Democratic candidates from debating on Fox, hoping to reduce Fox’s legitimacy as a news network. Obama’s campaign countered that Obama was going to “take Fox on,” recognizing that Fox has been “the tip of the spear … repeatedly broadcasting some of the most specious of rumors about Obama.”
The last was what the Progressives really wanted to hear, because they find Fox’s treatment of Obama scandalous. It’s mostly a reference to two stories — two — that reported other people raising questions about Obama’s education in a Muslim school as a child (the first was the Clinton campaign, the second, the front page of the New York Post). If I ever have to face a hostile attack, I sincerely hope that the tip of the spear launched against me is that mild.
Please take my word for it when I tell you that Progressives seriously believe this constitutes wholehearted yellow journalism. Two stories. About what the Clinton campaign and the New York Post said.
The interview happened, and the left was horribly disappointed. It was a cordial interview. Wallace asked questions about the flag pin, Reverend Wright, and the substance behind Obama’s claim to be a uniter. Obama performed well, sounding polished and conciliatory. The left is horrified because he did not leave Wallace’s blood on the floor.
Greg Sargent from TPM first:
“He is going on their Sunday show to take Fox on…”
Keep in mind that this adviser said this specifically to mollify critics who worried that Obama’s decision to appear on Fox would help legitimize the network and hence hurt Dems overall. There’s no ambiguity here to speak of: The adviser was telling these critics not to worry, that the reason Obama was going on was to “take Fox on.”
And this just didn’t happen in any meaningful sense. When Wallace brought up Wright and the flag-pin, for instance, Obama didn’t point out that these bogus stories have been pushed relentlessly by Fox or that the network has pushed the Obama-is-a-Muslim lies.
And Matt Stoller from Open Left drives home the sword thrust:
When we accept lies from our leaders and openly dismissive knocks from them, it destroys our core argument that Democrats need to have integrity and to stand up for themselves. No they don’t. We don’t stand up for ourselves and we let them lie to us without consequence.
The lie Stoller is talking about is Obama’s claim that he intended to “take Fox on.” This is what upsets Sargent, as well. Neither has any apparent problem with Obama claiming he’d never heard his pastor of 20 years make outlandish statements about race and America, and then later admitting that he had. They have no objection to Obama attempting to minimize his connections with Tony Rezko, only to have personal sweetheart land deals exposed. They’re not dismayed by Obama telling an Ohio audience he plans to fight NAFTA while he’s telling a Canadian official not to pay attention to his campaign rhetoric. No. They feel their integrity is compromised by allowing Obama to get away with saying he’s going to “take Fox on,” and then hold a cordial interview rather than attack Fox for it’s alleged biased reporting.
I’m kinda curious about Progressives’ definition of “integrity.” It’s not the same as mine.
Diarist Eugene from the Daily Kos offered his grudging defense of Obama’s willingness to let Fox interview him, noting that Obama has always voiced willingness to talk to the enemy. (That’s right; Fox is “the enemy.” Not Hugo Chavez. Not Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Chris Wallace from Fox is the enemy. I’m really sorry, I’m trying to restrain my incredulity, but oh, my God…)
At the core of Obama’s political philosophy is the belief that real divisions should not stand in the way of conversation. He has always believed that it is right and necessary for us to speak to folks on the other side of the aisle, to speak with our enemies. That to do so is a sign of strength, of problem-solving, and that it can be done without having to compromise any of our own values in the process.
I don’t agree with this strategy. At all. But I respect it. I understand it. And I made my peace with it long ago when I came around to openly supporting Obama’s candidacy at the beginning of the year…
I’ll acknowledge here that for a Progressive, Obama’s willingness to even talk with moderates, let alone conservatives, is refreshing. Most of them are like Eugene, here — they can’t even imagine holding a conversation with somebody like me. We’re “the enemy.” Eugene is being generous by allowing that a politician might actually want to do it for a good reason, but he’d never stoop to such distasteful labors, himself.
An anecdote from Obama’s book illustrates what Obama means by “talking to the enemy.” From Eugene’s Kos diary again:
In one of his autobiographies Obama recounts an episode in 1987, when he was a community organizer in Chicago, that crystallized this thinking for him. He had led a group of tenants to confront their landlord about whether he had tested their building for asbestos. Obama felt sympathetic to both the landlord and the tenants, understanding that the landlord was himself strapped for cash and struggling to make his own ends meet. Obama tried to talk with the landlord, tried to understand where he was coming from, instead of getting in his face with confrontation. And eventually a satisfactory resolution was produced.
That has been Obama’s way ever since. He believes that there are issues on which we can achieve positive, even progressive outcomes by going over and talking to the people we assume are our enemies. To Obama there is no downside to this action – if they turn us down, well, we’re no worse off than before. If they decide to work with us, wonderful. In some cases it can even wrongfoot the opposition by making them look like the uncooperative side, and makes us look like the better folks.
So Obama’s version of conciliation amounts to accepting from his “enemies” whatever of the Progressive’s goals they’re willing to concede peacefully. If they’re not willing to concede enough, he might still resort to confrontational tactics to achieve those goals — and use his previous willingness to talk as a weapon against his “enemies.” And do take note: landlords are enemies, in this vignette.
This may make him a friendlier Progressive; it might also make him a more dangerous one. The point is that he’s still a Progressive, and the question is whether he ever concedes any of his goals for a bipartisan solution, or whether he merely achieves whatever parts of them he can by talking first. We’ve never really seen him do the former. Note how Paul Mirengoff from Power Line analyzes Obama’s version of conciliation from the Fox interview:
I agree that Obama handled the questioning well, as he did throughout his appearance on Fox. However, it’s significant that the best Obama could come up with to recommend himself as a “uniter” was (1) to distance himself generally from (his characterization of) the Democratic position on regulation during the “the 60s and 70s,” (2) to note that he defended the right of Democrats to vote in favor of the John Roberts nomination, which he himself voted against, and (3) to blame the legislation before the Senate for his failure ever to deviate from the Democratic position when it comes actually to voting.
Obama either has a skewed sense of what it means to be post-partisan or an audacious sense of his ability to snow the American public. I’m guessing he has both.
For those who are genuinely concerned about partisanship in modern politics, John McCain is the real candidate, and Barack Obama is the deceptive knock-off. This further solidifies our assessment of Obama as an unapologetic hard leftist, beneath a soft-sounding exterior shell.
I must say, though, that there’s a perverse logic to at least this position from the Progressives, noted by Daily Kos diarist “Hunter” in his objection to Obama’s interview:
…there’s no upside in appearing on a network specifically devoted to the election of Republicans….
Nor, we should note, is there any upside to Republicans appearing on networks specifically devoted to the election of Democrats. I wonder when a Republican candidate will take note of this, and what the Progressives will say when one does.