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	<title>Comments on: Honduran Ouster of Zelaya Constitutionally Proper</title>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Horatius wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In this particular case, it looks like the Hondurans have had extraordinary wisdom to see a mistake and correct it before it consumes their nation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think they have plenty of experience with Marxist-Leninist activists from the collective experiences of their neighbors, and know what to expect from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horatius wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>In this particular case, it looks like the Hondurans have had extraordinary wisdom to see a mistake and correct it before it consumes their nation.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think they have plenty of experience with Marxist-Leninist activists from the collective experiences of their neighbors, and know what to expect from them.</p>
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		<title>By: Horatius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horatius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historically what has happened in Honduras is what is usually recommended 50 years after a dictator seizes power as what should have happened by historians in their 20/20 hindsight judgement. 

Think of it this way, what if someone had managed to prevent Stalin from not only taking the General Secretary position but had also kept him from the slow accumulation of power that led to him being by de facto, the only power in government. What if Germans had investigated the Reichstag fire, and the &quot;voting irregularities&quot; for the position of Chancellor? (and I realize how close I am to skirting Godwin&#039;s, but I think in this case it is a valid argument, even if there is an obvious difference of degree.)

This is not a form of vigilante justice by a small portion of the government acting against the popular will. From what I have seen the Hondurans have acted within the Letter of their Constitution, at least as far as it goes, and have acted with what was intended when it did not.

We always say in the cool light of day that this nation or that nation should have done something different, 50, 100, or 2000 years ago: &quot;Of course the Republic should have realized what a threat Caesar represented, they even had the example of Sulla before. Why did they let this happen? Could they not see how it would end?&quot; It usually comes down to people realizing AT the time what was going on, but also whether or not there is anything to be done. 

In this particular case, it looks like the Hondurans have had extraordinary wisdom to see a mistake and correct it before it consumes their nation. Of course, that is if we, and the various socialist nation states that surround them, allow them the right of self determination and do not force the dictator down their throats no matter how much they scream.

It is amazing that we can be so out of touch that we cannot see who is right in this situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historically what has happened in Honduras is what is usually recommended 50 years after a dictator seizes power as what should have happened by historians in their 20/20 hindsight judgement. </p>
<p>Think of it this way, what if someone had managed to prevent Stalin from not only taking the General Secretary position but had also kept him from the slow accumulation of power that led to him being by de facto, the only power in government. What if Germans had investigated the Reichstag fire, and the &#8220;voting irregularities&#8221; for the position of Chancellor? (and I realize how close I am to skirting Godwin&#8217;s, but I think in this case it is a valid argument, even if there is an obvious difference of degree.)</p>
<p>This is not a form of vigilante justice by a small portion of the government acting against the popular will. From what I have seen the Hondurans have acted within the Letter of their Constitution, at least as far as it goes, and have acted with what was intended when it did not.</p>
<p>We always say in the cool light of day that this nation or that nation should have done something different, 50, 100, or 2000 years ago: &#8220;Of course the Republic should have realized what a threat Caesar represented, they even had the example of Sulla before. Why did they let this happen? Could they not see how it would end?&#8221; It usually comes down to people realizing AT the time what was going on, but also whether or not there is anything to be done. </p>
<p>In this particular case, it looks like the Hondurans have had extraordinary wisdom to see a mistake and correct it before it consumes their nation. Of course, that is if we, and the various socialist nation states that surround them, allow them the right of self determination and do not force the dictator down their throats no matter how much they scream.</p>
<p>It is amazing that we can be so out of touch that we cannot see who is right in this situation.</p>
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